Stephen Panus described what it felt like when his son Jake said goodbye on a Friday morning with a peace sign. Two days later, Jake was gone.

Stephen has been figuring out how to live inside that for five and a half years. He is not on the other side of grief. He is just learning to build a life alongside it, carefully, and protect what has been tenderly put back together. This conversation will stay with you.

Listen at http://www.thelifeshiftpodcast.com/s5e245